Creating Spaces For Ourselves Outside The White Gaze with Makkah Ali

 

Creating Spaces For Ourselves Outside The White Gaze with Makkah Ali

Makkah Ali (she/her), Chicago-based podcaster, facilitator, and public speaker, joins BGIO founder Lauren Ash (she/they) in conversation around spiritual seeking and creating spaces for ourselves outside of the white gaze. Makkah is a multidimensional being who makes space for others to find peace and beauty in the many identities they claim. She executive produces and co-hosts the Identity Politics Podcast, which centers the voices of Black Muslim women and features new stories and perspectives about race, gender, and Muslim life in America. 

In this episode of the Black Girl In Om Podcast, Lauren and Makkah talk about their individual journeys of defining their relationships with God for themselves outside of anyone else’s expectations. Makkah shares about the many ways that wellness and Islamic faith seamlessly overlap in her life. Lauren and Makkah also discuss the power of intentional connection in a white supremacist world that banks on us feeling and being isolated from one another. Makkah encourages us to create spaces for ourselves outside of the white gaze so that we can self actualize and define our values for ourselves. Press play to get inspired! 

IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’ll LEARN MORE ABOUT

  • Lauren’s first yoga class ever that Makkah attended in Chicago

  • The Smithsonian National Museum Of African American History and Culture’s traveling series, GOD-TALK, where both Makkah and Lauren spoke

  • Makkah’s answer to the question, “what is God?”

  • Makkah’s journey of creating a space outside of the white gaze through the podcast she executive produces and co-hosts, The Identity Politics Podcast

  • What it means to flatten yourself, and how to resist pressures to do so.

  • Lauren and Makkah’s journeys of exploring their multiple identities and creating space for all of who they are.

  • What it looks like to define your relationship with God for yourself

  • Finding a community where you feel safe to ask questions

  • The ways that wellness and Islam seamlessly overlap in Makkah’s life

Note: This conversation was recorded in September 2019 while Makkah was the president of the Board of Directors of the Muslim Anti-Racism Collaborative. She now serves as a Director on the Managed Organizations Team at Arabella Advisors, where she works with philanthropic partners to develop, structure and maximize the impact of social sector projects. Makkah is also a member of the Board of Directors of the Crossroads Fund which supports community organizations working on issues of racial, social and economic justice in the Chicago area.

Follow Makkah on Instagram and Twitter @MsMakkah

Listen to the Identity Politics Podcast wherever you listen to podcasts, and find out more about the show at www.identitypoliticspod.com

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Quotes From The Episode:

“Something happens to us when we’re in isolation from each other that’s very dangerous. I genuinely believe that collaboration is the way to solve a lot of the world's problems as well as a lot of personal problems.” - @MsMakkah | Click To Tweet

“When you’re used to being seen in a certain light, you can flatten yourself.” - @MsMakkah | Click To Tweet

“What happens when you completely flatten yourself and your self perception is wrapped up in how others value you, then you lose yourself.”- @MsMakkah | Click To Tweet

“We want to really complicate what it looks like when you bring Black Muslim women together and they have conversations about things that they care about. Not things that the rest of the world says they should be apologizing for, thinking about, talking about.” - @MsMakkah | Click To Tweet

“How I conceive of God is that every single reality on this earth was created with intention and that there is a single divine force that unites us all in a cosmic balance” - @MsMakkah | Click To Tweet

“If I’m living a life of intention and God is intention then we in this together” - @hellolaurenash | Click To Tweet

“Everything that I do to be well is inspired by my faith tradition.” - @MsMakkah | Click To Tweet

“The fact that we are created with the ability to ask questions is because we are supposed to ask questions.” - @MsMakkah | Click To Tweet

“We are not supposed to try and bend and stretch ourselves into a structure that doesn’t actually meet our needs” - @MsMakkah | Click To Tweet

“I am not going to let any man, I am not going to let anyone from within this community or outside this community get in the way of my relationship with God” - @MsMakkah | Click To Tweet

“I think of Islam as a growth mindset religion in that you always have an opportunity to grow and you get points for trying. It is not about being perfect. It’s about self awareness and it’s about a desire for something more for yourself” - @MsMakkah | Click To Tweet